Perry: In this episode of the Therapist experience, I’m speaking with Katie Lemieux from Lemieux Solutions Unlimited. This is the therapist experience episode number 46. Welcome to The Therapist Experience. The podcast where we interview successful therapists about what it’s really like starting and growing a private practice. I’m Perry Rosenbloom, the founder of Brighter Vision, and I’m so excited to introduce our guest today Katie Lemieux from Lemieux Solution Unlimited. Katie, are you prepared to share your therapist experience?

Katie: Absolutely, thanks for having me, Perry.

Perry: My pleasure Katie, so glad to have you. Let me give our audience a little overview of you
and then we’ll jump into the chat.

Katie: Great.

Perry: Katie Lemieux is a licensed marriage and family therapist, trainer, presenter and consultant. She is a personal and professional growth junkie. Ask her 10 years ago if she would ever be in business and that would be a resounding ‘no’. In fact, she was afraid of business, thinking that community mental health is where she would retire from. Katie has since fallen in love with business and everything entrepreneurship from shark tank and Marcus Lemonis from ‘The Prophet’. Katie has veracious appetite when it comes to learning about business. She eats, drives and showers to business literally and has created 3 companies in 5 years. Katie established her private practice in November 2010 while working full-time. She launched at full-time practice two years later and was able to reach six – figures the following year. Katie and her business partner, Dr. Kate Campbell co -owned the K2 visionaries and the private practice startup. Their passionate about inspiring ambitious mental health professional across the globe to brand themselves and grow their dream practices by providing podcast, webinars, online courses, private practice coaching and attorney approved private practice paper work. Katie is honored to be a Florida state approved supervisor providing leadership and mentorship for interns on their way to licensure. Katie, give a little overview of you there. Why don’t you take a minute, fill in the gaps from the introduction and tell the audience a little bit more about you personally and about your private practice.

Katie: Well first, it’s really interesting being on the other side so I appreciate you offering to interview me so that’s really exciting and it’s interesting to have your bio read and really listen to that so wow, yeah, I was in community mental health at the age of 23. I’m actually from Connecticut so very cold so I can sympathize and empathize with folks in the cold weather who are not loving it right now and i move down here to go to graduate school at Nova Southeastern and the marriage and family therapy program. I actually also have specialization in the medical family therapy and while I was going to school, I was also working so I was doing case management in the community mental health center that you had mentioned and I actually worked there for eleven and a half years and once I graduated with my Master’s degree in marriage and family therapy. I only did therapy full time for seven months because in community mental health, you’re often out late in houses, you now 8pm, 9pm. I remember I even has a client like at 11 o’ clock and I was just like I don’t want to be doing this and so luckily enough my director noticed my skills and she promoted me into management at age 26 and so I did full time management work but I did therapy on the side and as a manager, I really started out at a micro-manger, I didn’t know how to trust my staff. I didn’t know what to do, I would stay late at the office late ten, eleven at night auditing there charts and over-time and my own growth and experience , I really developed into a true leader and a mentor and I actually run numerous programs from case management to group homes, I was a clinical director at substance abuse facility, I also still supervise so I’m really passionate about leadership and helping pulling people up and reaching their greatest potential so that’s just kinda a brief fill in the gaps about my journey. A little bit about me personally, I never regret the day I moved to Florida, I absolutely love the warm weather. I love the fact that I don’t have wear 5 layers to go start my car and then run back in because it’s cold out so I don’t regret there at all. Like you said, I am personal and professional growth junkie. I do eat, breather and sleep, shower too, podcast, videos, I’m like binging on Gary Vaynerchuck right now, all about online marketing and social media so I just love and I’m inspired by business and folks in business.

Perry: So, I’m former Northeasterner as well and I completely understand. I don’t regret a day, I moved to Colorado and some people have different perception of Colorado but it’s actually rank in terms of winter as there’s a like a recent study done, it’s considered as a good of a winter weather wise as states like Arizona and Florida.

Kate: Wow, I didn’t know that.

Perry: I know everyone has a wrong perception of us here but I completely agree getting out of the cold, out of the North East, awesome. It allows you to focus on more fun things like growing a business, right?

Kate: Exactly and being outside and doing things outside and not holing up for the winter.

Perry: Yeah so you were promoted to manager at the age of 26, how many more years did you work in community mental health before branching off and starting Lemieux Solutions Unlimited?

Kate: Yeah, I was actually in community mental health for eleven and a half years total. I think after I was promoted to management I did about nine years of work and what’s interesting like you read in my bio, I was deathly afraid of business and it’s interesting because I come from on my father’s side, my grandfather and father owned a business and I really that they had instilled or talk to me about business early but what had happened is the last program I was running, my staff would say to me Katie, why are you here? You should have your own private practice and I started listening to my staff and so my staff was actually the folks that pushed me out. I’m very much a woman of integrity and if I say something, it’s gotta happen and so before I was really ready to leave, I actually established my private practice, started working on it in 2010. I didn’t leave until 2012, but, when I was not ready to leave, I just decided to start telling people that I was leaving so I could really light a fire under my own butt and get the heck out. I was so scared that like literally I couldn’t breathe for six weeks so I left agency work, the comfort of agency work in November 2010, right around thanksgiving. I mean, who opens up a practice during the holidays, not really sure, me. I remember sitting at home during the day now I really don’t have structured time on my computer, trying to do my website, I so wish you guys were around back then. You would made the transition so much easier if I knew about you maybe if you were around back then and I remember just eating tuna fish because I was like, oh my god, I can’t spend any money, I was just like panic cause like here you go from that stable income to now making less right around the holidays, then obviously my journey continued from there.

Perry: So, when you left full time work and went full time into private practice that was having a private practice on the side for 2 years. How many clients did you have around that time?

Kate: Oh my gosh, that’s a good question. I don’t even know, you ask that and like I have to really recollect. I think there wasn’t that many I started as I got ready to go to full time. It was more consistent. I remember working Monday, Wednesday and Saturdays. Monday and Wednesday afternoon in the evening and then Saturdays. So, maybe ten to twelve at that time before I left into full time, maybe between eight and twelve, I would say consistently.

Perry: When you started telling you’re leaving at what point in that transition were you telling people that you were leaving to go start your own private practice? Was that when you had 6 month left, 6 weeks left, where in that timeline was that?

Kate: Well, as you knew with work, you can’t really tell that you’re leaving. You might get pushed out of the door.

Perry: Yeah.

Kate: And so people that I knew and trusted, I think they kinda knew that was my plan for about 3 months before I left and then obviously when I actually leave and make it public, it was a month, I gave my long-time job where I spend good time there and learned about practice in the sense of all the other stuff that we don’t learn as practitioners if we’re not paying attention is really like the legal aspect , the contracts, the paperwork, you know all the laws and rules, we often pay attention to the therapeutic process but I got to really understand all of the processors, management, compliance and all those other things so I did give them a month before I set myself free on my own journey.

Perry: And so you were telling people for about 3 months that you were planning to leave. That’s actually verbalizing that is such an important thing to do because you’re visualizing yourself there. You’re saying ok, I’m gonna leave this job, I’ve told people and now you’re starting to visualize yourself and what that’s going to look like. When it’s gonna look like ok, I’m leaving to start my own private practice. What it’s going to look like in your first week and just sort of like having that mental image and that mental picture of yourself could help so much in making that transition easier. I know personally when I quit my full time job to start brighter vision which wasn’t called brighter vision back then, I think I spent probably a year and a half at that visualizing what it was going to look like when I finally left so personally I found out that to be really helpful. How about you? Did you find that to be really helpful, really visualizing your exit from full time job?

Katie: Oh Perry, Let me tell and this why Kate and are so passionate about the work that we do, when Kate and I both actually started our practices, there wasn’t really any resources, Kacey Trueful was probably one of the only resources there was some there and do we’ve done everything backwards so I spent a lot of time visualizing and you know, it was funny, I was talking to a colleague yesterday and he’s always very inspired by me and he’s like you know, he’s like ,you just go and just do it and I go sometimes that fault cause we need to step back and do exactly what you said is, step back and see the big picture because Kate and I are very much off to the races. There’s a great idea and we’re running and it’s like wait a minute, why are we doing this, right? And so one of the things about private practice and I haven’t been coaching in number one business and hadn’t been coached in private practice is that I didn’t step back and say to myself , Where am I going with this? What am I creating and what’s my end game? I didn’t really visualize that part and just started doing and was successful at it and now sitting in supervision on Saturday. I have an intern that excitedly announce that she got jumped into a private practice and she not incorporated, she doesn’t have a liability insurance and I’m like, I get like so passionate like slow down, visualize first, please. I make some mistakes that you don’t have to like, let me show how to do it in a way that’s really fulfilling for you so no, to answer you question , I didn’t really sit there and visualize . It was just piece by piece.

Perry: What does Lemieux Solutions Unlimited look like today?

Katie: So today, what’s really interesting about the practice is I’d say I grew up in the world of communal mental health and children and family services and I’ve actually moved more of practice to focusing on working with teens with their families, really focusing on communication and connection as well as I really specialize in couples. So, a lot of my time with Kate’s times is really spent on building the private practice startup and K2 visionaries because that’s really where we are passionate about so my private practice is steady now. I’m not looking to build it any further at this point, it’s just kind of operating on its own and you know, I see clients still in the evening, afternoon and evening cause I do work with a lot of couples as well as well teens and then the other place that I really enjoy that’s really part of my practice is supervision so I get to see my interns on Friday and Saturday which is really awesome to be with colleagues and really inspiring.

Perry: So, Katie let’s go back to a point in your career as a therapist where you could’ve have called it quits, we like this whole vision, whole journey here. Let’s go back in your journey as therapist in private practice where you were just as low as you could be possible be in your journey and you were just ready to throw in the towel. Can you share with us that moment and then more importantly share with us how you overcame that adversity and preserved through?

Katie: Perry, there wasn’t one moment, there was many and I think they were quite a long time. I was would say year, a year and a half. As you ask me that question I remember one of the times where I was, I was driving down this road called south gate and I said to myself, that’s it, I’m done, I’m just gonna go back community mental health, it was much easier and so what really kept me continuing on and moving forward, for some reason when it comes to working out , I could totally be like, oh, that’s too tough, I’m tired, I don’t want to get to number 12, number 8 and I’ll think I will stop but when it comes to business, I don’t know, I just don’t have this off button so I would reach , I would call people, I would ask to meet for lunch with people. I would read things, I would just get encouragement from people who I knew could support me and a really good friend of mine Jack Lingfield, he would just say Katie, you’re on the right track, it just takes time , slow down, you’re okay and so just that constant support from community and folks that I knew, letting me know, like it’s okay, it takes was really helpful and then when I began investing and really understanding and having that veracious appetite about business, that really just helps me stay continuing on. That and of course, with the private practice startup and Kate, we definitely just kind of support each other and push each other along so thank god for her. We have a great business partnership.

Perry: And what were your struggles then, were you struggling get clients? Struggling with paperwork and overhead? Give us a little more insight on what was going on that made you wanna go back to community mental health.

Katie: You know, it’s funny, every time like, I’m sure many people experience this in private practice. It seems like you get this like 1 week where like everybody cancels not your whole caseloads but you get like 5 cancellations and you’re like , oh my gosh, this is never going to work and then you start panicking, right and then like 2 hours later, you get like 3 new clients calls, right. My colleague and I talk about that like all the time and so just learning that this is the process that business has cycles of winter and summer and this just it, that to just enjoy the down times and utilize that to work on your business but it was really about the issues. The issues were more about the clients, the consistent steady flow of clients.

Perry: I mean even today, I recognize that and have those struggles with Brighter Vision. You know for us, we knew going into thanksgiving, from our previous 2 years that from thanksgiving until the New Year, things start slowing down.

Katie: Right.

Perry: And you know, you see it with our clients too in therapy. People don’t reach out. You’re not getting as much appointments but then , it slow down big time, our week flow dried up a lot but then , boy, as soon as the clock stuck midnight in 2017, the whole world reverse and I’m sure you’ve seen this in trends in your private practice as well but with the New Year’s starting up, you start seeing more people trying to reach out and starting to get into therapy whether it’s New Year’s Resolutions , whether it’s spending a lot of time with family, all sorts of thing that could just spark that motivation to finally pick up the phone and say, I’m ready to begin getting the help I’ve been wanting for years. So, you’ve come such a long way from there Katie but one thing that we often see therapist struggle with in the early day is with pricing themselves well, would you mind sharing with our audience what your current session rate is to see clients and what your journey to that rate has been like?

Katie: Sure, it’s definitely been a journey and it’s a consistent constant journey, so initially I had said, I was charging 80$/hr and I remember I had client who I’d worked with when she was a teenager, now, a 26 year old adult who reached out to me and I was in this little office and I had a black, not even a leather couch, I think I had like 2 things on the wall, it was stark. All I had was a desk and a chair and so I felt bad and I was just like, I’ll charge you 40$. So, I started out at 40$, I remember when i did a woman’s workshop and I was charging 25$ per person for an hour and a half as well. Today, my fee is 165$ and I’m pretty stern on that, I really don’t do sliding scale anymore. I’ve increased that rate numerous times over my journey. One of the things I think being in community mental health and being programmed in the sense of , you know we’re definitely affected by our family of origin and things about money and so I’ve really…. part of journey to get into private practice has been a lot of self-examination reflection. Doing activities about money and still today to get to the next level, I’m constantly looking at my relationship with money, I actually just signed up for the millionaire mind intensive. They’re actually going to be there in 2 weeks so I’m stoked about that. I’ve actually also the Energy of Money which was written by a psychologist and it’s really cool because it helps you go through different activities about money so I’m constantly in the space thinking about my relationship to money and yes, it definitely has been a journey because I also remember when I decided that I want my fee to be 125$. I would kinda like put out there, like, yeah, so, my fee is 125$ but you know if…… Is my fee 125$? or it’s not and now today, it’s 165$ and I actually just posted my fee on my website and just had conversation with a colleague about that and I said, I really just had to get over the fear of I’m not getting my ideal client and you know, my mom always in my ear . My mom’s advice is good even though she know that she’s not giving me advice but she goes well, Katie, you know if they’re not willing to pay your pay, maybe they’re not your ideal client anyways. Oh right, exactly. I’m very comfortable with that and where I’m at now.

Perry: We had one of our most popular episodes and we’ll have a link to it in this week show notes which we’ll be able to find at brightervision.com/session46 but one out most popular episodes was session 9 and it was titled, I’m a Psychotherapist… No you’re not. You’re a business owner. And it was with Eddie Reece and in that Eddie was sharing his experience with coaching therapist and he asked, what your session rate? Well….nope, next. What’s your session rate? Nope, Next. What’s your session rate? You must be concrete and you must be clear on it. My session rate is 150$ for a 50 minute session. If you cannot articulate that confidently and clearly, you’re gonna have a very difficult time selling a perspective client to come in for therapy with you. Do you agree with that sentiment?

Katie: 100% and you’re right Perry, it’s really a journey sometimes because of our relationship with money and you do have to be clear and confident and at this point, I turn people away when they can’t pay my fee and that’s okay. What’s also interesting is that about a month ago, I was in Vegas for a real estate convention. My spouse and I do a little bit of that on the side and they had a presenter there, Andy Tanner, who’s actually he’s an associate to Robert Kiyosaki, Rich Dad, Poor Dad and he does a lot of sales training and uses neuro-linguistic programming and I took so much away from listening to him for 3 hours because one of the things, obviously, this was towards Real Estate but you can utilize anywhere else. One of things that I was trying to figure out how do I have the money conversation of does this fee work for you or not without kinda going there so what I found is that I would state my fee and sometimes people would say, “Ok, no problem, let’s scheduled “or especially working with couples, they’ll have to talk to their spouse or partner right, well, let me get back to you. I didn’t know if it was like a fee issue or they didn’t call back because maybe the other person didn’t want to come to counselling but he talked about just addressing right there so when they don’t scheduled right away, now I just say, I just want to check in to make sure is it an issue with the fee or is it an issue with something else because if it an issue with the fee we can already have that conversation outright and I can actually refer them to a great colleague who has a reduced fee so they don’t have to go on and search for another therapist who’s a couples counselor, they’re not really sure what their fee is I can direct them to some quality people .

Perry: That’s a follow-up you do with them if you don’t hear from them.

Katie: No, I do it right on that initial. Yeah, so I just get it out of the way so I’ll just ask. I’ll say if they’re not scheduling right then and there, I just say, you know, I just want to check in, is there an issue with the fee? and if they say no, it’s not the fee, I just have to talk to my spouse or whatever I’d say great , can we follow up within the next 24 hours, yes or whatever cause sometimes what I notice is , it’s not just our relationship with money but also the clients relationship with money right, like they don’t wanna, they might be embarrassed saying that they can’t play their fee or they feel bad or whatever it is but if we can be really transparent and talk about that then I can direct them to a place and be helpful to them in that way.

Perry: Great advice there. Thank you so much Katie.

Katie: Oh my gosh, you’re so welcome because it’s been just really… and it makes me feel good because even if it’s not me, like, they’re not getting off the phone going like, what therapist should I call now and its process has been really long, it feels so valuable for me to be able now have a way to talk about that without them getting off the phone and not calling me back.

Perry: Yeah, and you know reaching out to a therapist for the first time is such a hurdle in it off itself so being able to help them even if you can’t help them through therapy yourself being able to help them get the help that they’re seeking is really crucial.

Katie: Absolutely.

Perry: One thing we found therapist struggle with is actually marketing their business and we haven’t really spoken about that too much but I would love to dive into that a little bit more with you because there’s no way that you could have grown Lemieux Solutions Unlimited into such a thriving private practice without marketing. What’s the single best marketing move that you’ve made for your practice and why do you feel like it’s worked so well for you?

Katie: I would say early on when I started practice you know SEO was not really a term that I was familiar with but I had reached out to someone who had become my SEO person and also help me a lot with google AdWords so I think the two best that really helped me with my practice is the google ad words especially initially because they weren’t as costly. They definitely more costly now as well as word of mouth referrals and I think the word-of-mouth comes from a being a support in the community and also referring to other people and just being helpful so I think those are the 2 best things and one of the things that I actually went through a yearlong business coaching practice for myself and one of the things that was really useful was tracking and measuring, I hadn’t tracked and measured referrals and where they were coming from and so when I track measure my referrals and where they come from what’s really helpful is I can see what’s working and what’s not working and so, you know to the audience that’s listening if you’re not tracking and measuring things on your business you really need to that because it really helps you identify where to put your time , your energy and your money so I really use Pareto’s principle, the 80/20 rule and really look at where are my referrals coming from? Great, I’ll continue to spend money on the Ad words and build the word of mouth relationship as well.

Perry: So, you’re looking at where those referrals are coming. Were you also looking at the quality if a client so to speak where…… let me rephrase that, did you notice that clients that came from AdWords stayed with for a longer or less amount of time than somebody who came to you via word of mouth referral?

Katie: Not necessarily, I think that’s kind of more the client’s journey of why they are there. I noticed I kind of [inaudible 24:13] there are some clients that are like, this is the issue once it’s fixed, I’m good and then there’s just clients that I have that are just really enjoyed the journey of self- growth and so they kind of stayed longer so I would say that’s more of the factor than where they came from.

Perry: Ok, Katie. Now we are going to move into the final part of our interview, the part that we’d like to refer to as brighter insights and what I really love about this part is we spend drilling down into your advice and getting little sound bites and quick answers that therapist can use to inspire and motivate them in growing their private practice throughout the next week. Are you ready?

Katie: I’m ready.

Perry: What or whom inspired you to become a mental health professional?

Katie: So what inspired is I was a child of divorced parents and I remember being dragged to therapist as a child and as a teenager and I also remember sitting in the therapist office as a depressed teen, no connection really with my parents. They probably didn’t know what the heck was going on and I remember during an individual session with a therapist and the therapist and then the therapist brought my dad and stepmom into the room and then just kind of sat there and like there was no help or support. I didn’t feel like advocated for there was connection in regards to bringing the two worlds together and when I initially launched into desiring to become a therapist, my commitment was that children have a voice in their family and that families work, although I don’t work with young children anymore , I do still work with teens and I utilize a lot of the work that I’ve learned with Gothman, utilizing alot of the speaking and the listening skills with teens and their families so I really, I still do that today but I’ve also moved into working much more with couples and I’m super passionate about relationships because whether we’re in a relationship or not during the course of lifetime we are gonna be so we might as well learn some useful tools to that then really just enjoying the work with of relationships.

Perry: What is it that you do to clear your head and get a fresh start in your day?

Katie: So I really try to at least do one of these three things everyday if not two or all three is read, meditate and exercise. Sometimes when I’m in the middle of the day and I’m feeling kind of what I call ‘crunchy’, I’ll get up and then I’ll just change my environment, go do something, play with the dog, get outside, take a walk, whatever it takes to just shift the energy cause it’s so important.

Perry: Completely agree. What are some tools you’ve used to leverage the power of technology in your private practice so technology is no longer a hurdle for you but instead an asset for you.

Katie: One of things I’ve had is a virtual assistant for the last year and a half and she is phenomenal so I highly recommend anyone wanting to grow their practice. One bit of advice I would like to say Perry is that don’t wait until you’re ready to do it, jump in and start doing it. I actually heard a speaker recently talk and he said that he decide to quit his job, told his wife and then he hired an assistant right away and the wife was like, what are you mean you quit your job? Don’t hire an assistant and he goes like no, yeah, I need an assistant and I thought that was like really cool but I think a lot of business practice are very counter-intuitive to what we know and so when we’re able to outsource things which I mean Fiverr is a great tool for outsourcing many things or getting small projects done. My virtual assistant, she writes my blogs and she’s amazing, she does a therapist voice, it’s really cool. We’ve utilized slack for other business, you know just even learning about like podcasting and video and skype and really being able to have meetings not with clients, I’m talking about in general and reaching across the globe through various means of technology so i think there is so much out and there’s so much that’s constantly coming aboard that really if you’re afraid of technology just try it out anyway, you’ll never really know what you really enjoy and what works for you.

Perry: Great Advice there. Where would you recommend finding a virtual assistant?

Katie: I had created a job description and I posted on LinkedIn and various Facebook groups that I’m involved in as well as our Facebook group, the private practice startup Facebook group so utilizing social media has been really helpful and then of course just asking folks, you know , this what I’m looking for , do you know somebody?

Perry: What’s a quote that you hold near and dear, something that’s help formulate your perspective on life or has inspired, motivated or provided guidance for you in life

Katie: My favorite quote and I don’t know if it’s that someone particularly said this, is everything is exactly perfect the way it is and I really had to learned how to believe trust and adopt that in my life and it just really help especially when I’m in a state of overwhelm or confusion or I don’t know what’s next. I just kind of says this to myself and remind myself that even though I can’t see it, touch it or it’s here yet that wherever I am in my life right now is exactly perfect for the next step, phase or the future what’s to come.

Perry: Love that. If you could recommend one book to our audience, what would that book be?

Katie: Oh gosh, I gotta tell you really quick Perry, it’s funny, and I shared this before is that I actually made it through undergraduate and graduate school only have ready full 2 books. I hope none of my professors are listening but that’s the truth, I hated reading and then when i went through a business coaching process, the yearlong business coaching, my coach had given me an assignment and I said, I just wanted to know, can you send me the thing, I want to start working on it, I was super excited and he was, “did you read the book I sent you?” I said ,”no,” then he goes the you don’t get the assignment and I was like, oh and I was like dreading it because I didn’t like reading so literally I would put the timer on my phone for ten minutes each day so I just started reading ten minutes each day and now, I think read like eleven books last year and I read 30 minutes at least 5 times a week, right now, I’m reading the E-myth so for anyone starting a private practice who hasn’t started yet, I would really consider reading the E- Myth. Another person that I absolutely love is Dr. Brene Brown, her book ‘daring greatly’ has just been awesome, useful, and resourceful also great for clients.

Perry: Alright Katie, last question. If you move to a new city tomorrow, you don’t know anybody there and all that you had with you is your computer and 100$ to start a new private practice. What is it that you would do on your very first day?

Katie: So interestingly enough because moved from just the private practice to the private practice startup and really helping people globally, I think I would really set myself up before I move is to have an online business so no matter where I went that business could still run so whether that spokes in private practice, you know, if you are planning on moving or something like that, you know, we had a done an interview with a podcast with Clay Cockrell rule on online counselling. You know you can work with folks all over the globe to continue your business thriving and running but, I don’t know as I was thinking about this question earlier Perry, I don’t maybe I would actually like hangout around the street just for fun and interview people and video them and ask your question and see what they would say I think that what I would do.

Perry: That is awesome. I love that answer Katie, definitely the most unique one we’ve gotten so far here, so before we go this is part 2 of our interview with the 2 ladies at K2 visionaries. You can listen the previous episode session 45 for your other half Kate Campbell but Katie can you give our audience a little bit more of an overview of what you guys do over at K2 visionaries and the private practice startup.

Katie: Absolutely and thank you so much for asking so Kate and I started K2 visionaries actually back in 2014 and it was more of a local company. We are CEU providers for the state of Florida offering licensure renewal course as well as other courses, the supervision course and we also offer private practice coaching and CEU collaboration and what we realize is actually January 2016 is we wanted to be able to extend what we know across the globe and so we created the private practice startup and so we’ve also been podcasting, I was gonna say this year but now we’re in 2017, we have about 30 episodes as well connecting with various business owners, entrepreneurs , private practice, people who’ve been successful and we’ve done podcasts, webinars, online courses, we have attorney approved private practice paperwork, that’s one of things as you know people getting started in private practice that’s often one thing , I think people sometimes skimp on that because attorney fees can be expensive, well, we’ve taken care of all that for you and all of our forms are completely customizable so you can feel safe , confident and secure knowing that these forms are legal, ethical and really meet the highest standards of competency and we’re just adding many more services and things like that. We work with various folks like brighter vision supporting you guys and what you’re up to and really connecting you guys with your ideal clients who are also ours and then we have a few folks working with you guys now and we’ve gotten really great views so we really appreciate that and that’s the other thing and just partnering with other folks who support mental health professionals and really creating their dream practice.

Perry: Wonderful, I love it so much Katie and of course to all of our audience listening, we will have links to K2 visionaries, the private practice startup and all of these other wonderful resources that Katie has mentioned in this week show notes at brightervision.com/ session46. Katie, thank you so much for being so generous with your time, your expertise and your knowledge. I know I can speak for our entire audience here when I say we appreciate all the great advice you’ve provided and the therapist experience that you have shared.

Katie: Thank you so much Perry, it was really a pleasure being here and being on the other side of the mic and the computer if you will. I really appreciate and thank you guys for what you’re doing cause I really wish that you guys were around when I had started.

Perry: Well thanks and if you ever need anything, we’re still here.

Katie: Awesome. I appreciate it that but we’ll keep sending people your way.

Perry: Appreciate and for everybody listening, you know of course, if you’re looking for a website to help your private practice get off the ground or you want to grow your private practice or you just don’t want to deal with the frustration and headaches of running and building your own website anymore. Reach out to us. Brighter Vision is the worldwide leader in custom therapist website design for less than 2$ a day you get a website that completely unique to your practice. Get unlimited technical support and complimentary search engine optimization so people can find you online. To learn more, head on over brightervison.com and drop us a line through one of our contact forms where you can email us at [email protected]. That does it for today. Thanks again for listening and we’ll see you next week.